agendawaikatoagendawaikatohttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/newsRegional attractiveness study of Waikato sub region the first of its kind]]>Gerald Piddockhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/08/10/Regional-attractiveness-study-of-Waikato-sub-region-the-first-of-its-kindhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/08/10/Regional-attractiveness-study-of-Waikato-sub-region-the-first-of-its-kindWed, 27 Jun 2018 21:37:00 +0000
The first study of its kind to measure the attractiveness of a region shows Waikato punching above its weight for social measures.
But it had room to improve for how it stacked up in terms of productivity and earnings.
The study, commissioned by business think tank Agenda Waikato and undertaken by the University of Waikato, ranked the Waikato sub-region using 87 different indicators from one to five with five being the most favourable.
It defined the sub-region by the communities and sectors within a 45 minute drive of Hamilton city and ranked it according to four capital classifications used by Treasury and the OECD's wellbeing criteria.
It ranked Waikato's overall attractiveness as slightly better in comparison to New Zealand.
The study ranked the sub-region in terms of its human and financial physical capital with an average score of three. However, it ranked New Zealand nationally as being more attractive than Waikato in terms of social capital.
Agenda Waikato chairman Graham Dwyer said the report gave their organisation an international benchmark to be referred to when individuals or groups wanted to know where Waikato ranked.
"I think it will be used by central and local government and places like Treasury when they are asked questions about where different areas rank."
It could also be used by Agenda Waikato as a baseline as it looked to improve rankings.
"It's kind of a baseline to go, 'this is where we sit at the moment, what things do we want to influence?'
The research should lead to better policy making and decisions by business, local government and central government. Knowing what areas the sub-region scores highest on is important to learn, leverage and build on, he said.
"And seeing where we are below New Zealand is important so that we can identify our weaknesses and address that."
Dwyer said they would use the rankings to determine what was important to their lives and businesses and what they could do to influence them.
]]>Think tank's new Waikato research muscles up profile lift efforts]]>Andrea Fox, NZ Heraldhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/06/25/Think-tanks-new-Waikato-research-muscles-up-profile-lift-effortshttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/06/25/Think-tanks-new-Waikato-research-muscles-up-profile-lift-effortsSun, 24 Jun 2018 21:38:00 +0000
A second major initiative to strengthen the Waikato's voice and crank up its productivity is on the way with new business-led think tank Agenda Waikato about to publish research it expects to lead to better policy-making and decisions by commerce and government.
As the region prepares to launch its first economic development agency, Agenda Waikato will on Monday release research that ranks the Waikato against Treasury's four capital classifications and OECD's wellbeing criteria.
The four classifications are the human, social, natural and financial/physical capitals which together represent New Zealand's economic capital.
Chairman Graham Dwyer said the Agenda Waikato-commissioned research by Waikato University provides a critical benchmark for the sub-region of communities and sectors within a 45 minute drive of Hamilton city.
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It was the first time the sub-region had been compared to OECD measures and the results showed the area punched above its weight on social measures, but had plenty of room for improvement on how it stacked up on productivity and earnings, Dwyer said.
The reason and steps needed to improve were still unknown but the research provided a benchmark from which to work.
Identifying strengths and weaknesses was important and useful as the Waikato moved to a more collaborative and engaged approach to make better decisions for its communities, he said.
The research used more than 100 indicators with 87 of them contained in the report.
"There is more work to do, there are more indicators to identify. However as a start we are proud to bring research to the policy-making table."
Agenda Waikato's purpose is to support and drive initiatives that strengthen the voice of the region
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]]>Good and weak points of Waikato living nailed in unique research]]>Andrea Fox, NZ Heraldhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/06/25/Good-and-weak-points-of-Waikato-living-nailed-in-unique-researchhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/06/25/Good-and-weak-points-of-Waikato-living-nailed-in-unique-researchSun, 24 Jun 2018 21:23:00 +0000
The first study in New Zealand to measure the attractiveness of a region showed the Waikato beats others as an attractive place to live and play but lags on a work theme score.
The research by Waikato University's New Zealand Institute for Business Research for business-led think tank Agenda Waikato used 87 of 100 identified wellbeing indicators in the study of the Waikato sub-region, which comprised all communities within a 45-minute drive of Hamilton city.
The report said indicators were classified in three ways: Agenda Waikato themes; Treasury capital classifications of financial/physical capital, social capital, human capital and environmental capital; and OECD well-being criteria.
Authors Frank Scrimgeour, Vijay Kumar and Ngoc Thi Minh Tran said indicators identified were relevant for people attraction and retention.
Like Treasury and Ministry of Social Development analyses, the study focused on wellbeing indicators but theirs were applied at a national level.
Overall, the results showed the Waikato sub-region was more attractive relative to New Zealand, said the authors.
Agenda Waikato chairman Graham Dwyer said the study produced "some real facts" and set an agenda for the future by directing the region's leaders to where it was performing well and where it wasn't.
"We often sit around and pontificate what the issues are, but if we can back it up with properly done international-quality balanced research then we're not talking any more about what we think our problems are.
"We're talking about what the researched answers are."
Dwyer said Agenda Waikato, formed last year to support and drive initiatives that strengthen the Waikato's business voice, would pick out two or three areas of the research to "start moving the dials on what we're good at and what we can do better".
"I think that will come out in the next couple of weeks - we've had a lot of interest."
"If we can harness what people with bigger brains than me see we might be able to understand what we can do to turn the dial."
Data was collected from multiple credible sources, included Statistics NZ, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, NZ Police, Waikato DHB, NIWA and city, district and regional councils.
Agenda Waikato aspires for the Waikato to be the best region in New Zealand to live, work and play.
The population of the sub-region researched was estimated to be 316,000 last year.
]]>Aspiration for a better region]]>https://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/04/20/Aspiration-for-a-better-regionhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/04/20/Aspiration-for-a-better-regionThu, 19 Apr 2018 22:22:03 +0000
Businesses come together to ensure success.
When the news was published that Hamilton City Council did not want to fund an entertainment programme at Hamilton’s newest CBD park, Victoria on the River (VOTR), local businesses have rallied together to raise the funds. To date nearly $20,000 has been raised in less than a week.
Agenda Waikato’s chairman, Graham Dwyer, along with supporter and well-known developer Matt Stark kick-started the initiative. “We don’t want to see a place we are currently proud of fall by the wayside. By not having a co-ordinated entertainment programme for that new space, we are taking on the ‘if you build it they will come’ mentality, which just isn’t good enough. It is also likened to having guests turn up to your new house but not having any music, conversation or refreshments to serve!” said Mr Dwyer. Mr Stark will drive the programme in collaboration with other key stakeholders.
Mr Stark, whom developed the building adjacent to VOTR, agrees that it’s all about offering incentives to the public to visit the park and complementing that vibrancy.
The park opened in January this year and Mr Stark believes that there is potential to maintain a steady stream of visitors to the CBD with exciting entertainment, “The park is located near Garden Place that could easily reap the benefits with a co-ordinated programme. The opportunity is right there. Why would we want to sit back, plan and wait until next year, when we could try something now.”
Agenda Waikato has been in contact with the Waikato Chamber of Commerce and Hamilton Central Business Association who agree there is a need to help keep the new space activated.
Mr Dwyer stated that he wasn’t happy seeing another story about an opportunity lost, “We can’t just sit back and let something take care of itself. It’s about thinking with aspiration. It’s about wanting the best place to live, work and play. It’s about giving it a go and driving an initiative forward. This is just one example for the region. We have passion – let’s harness that passion and make it happen.”
With support coming in quickly from a range of businesses, it is easy to see this initiative is business-driven without the help or enablement from council. While one of the councillors recognised that the council’s role was to enable such a programme, that’s as far as it went.
Councillors voted 8-4 against spending $19,200 to activate the park.
Image courtesy of Ninmo productions.
(Hamilton City Council, 2018)
]]>House Stark of Hamilton: the developer who wants the city to face the river]]>Keri Welhamhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/03/26/httpsthespinoffconzbusiness19-03-2018house-stark-of-hamilton-the-developer-who-wants-the-city-to-face-the-riverhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/03/26/httpsthespinoffconzbusiness19-03-2018house-stark-of-hamilton-the-developer-who-wants-the-city-to-face-the-riverSun, 25 Mar 2018 22:13:46 +0000
He’s young, he’s relentless, and he claims to care more about the beauty of his creations than the money they make him. Matt Stark is a new generation of property developer, and he’s hopelesslydevoted to The Tron.
Behind Hamilton’s back doors runs a river, and property developer Matt Stark surveys its twirling eddies with the fervour of a true believer.
“This is our greatest asset,” he raves. Stark, 36, takes an outside seat at Gothenburg, one of the few establishments in Hamilton where you can enjoy cocktails or tapas while sitting in the dappled light of giant old plane trees, gazing on the flowing waters for which the Waikato River was named. “Who has a river flowing right on your doorstep?”
This city does. As his English Breakfast tea goes cold, Stark laments all the years Hamilton has had its back to this resplendent awa and insists the main street must be reoriented, re-directed, to turn its face to the water. And he’s getting the ball rolling.
Stark Property redeveloped the Riverbank Arcade, which had sat empty for 24 years, into Riverbank Lane and assisted with development of an adjacent open-air terrace which opened in January. Victoria on the River is essentially an amphitheatre built high on the riverbank, facing the opposite way from most other buildings on the main street – towards the water, rather than away from it.
The developer turned a dilapidated gentleman’s club into riverside office space and various other landmarks have been given new lives during Stark’s crusade to re-imagine the CBD.
Stark Property is supported by two silent investors and owns an estimated 15-20% of Hamilton’s CBD. It takes time to transform a city, but Stark believes the CBD is an under-rated opportunity which is ripe for gentrification and about to have its moment. He’s picturing fast commuter ferries on the river, industrial laneways tenanted by artisans, and inner-city apartments. “I want to make Hamilton the most liveable city in New Zealand,” Stark says. “People will laugh at me but I don’t give a ripper.”
The most liveable city goal is perhaps what spurred him to spend $10,000 of his own money helping develop a vision for the geographical heart of Hamilton, even though he insists he will make nothing out of the possible revamp.
Stark and fellow property investor Steve McLennan developed a proposal to spend $3.9 million rejuvenating Garden Place, a tired, bedraggled, forlorn central city space. “The heart of the city should be represented well,” Stark says, “and it starts from there.”
But there’s lively opposition. “People are hating on it,” he admits.
Matt Stark’s clean-cut, grinning face is reminiscent of Tom Cruise, circa 1996’s Jerry Maquire. He has deep-etched laugh lines and a wide grin erupts across his face often. He enjoys water skiing, biking and multi-sports. He is “a big fan of a guy called Jesus” and regularly attends an independent Pentecostal church called Gateway Church. He and his wife Jaimee bought a 1950s house in the city, with a river view, for $550,000 about three years ago. It’s just down the road from Stark’s office so he often rides an e-bike home for lunch. He works 45 hours a week and swims in the river most days.
Jaimee Stark is a graphic designer whose sharp eye for aesthetics has been a key differentiator in Stark Property ventures. These days she’s busy wrangling the couple’s two children under three, but in earlier years they travelled to Abbott Kinney Boulevard in Venice Beach, Los Angeles, a visit that has remained the couple’s enduring inspiration for Stark Property.
Abbott Kinney is a 1.6km long street which has developed organically, shop by shop, into a diverse, bustling strip. It’s a magical blend of tacos, cacti, barbers, body art, florists, murals, mustard suede heels, buskers, vegan sliders, food truck caps, designer ice cream, huskies, overalls, pilates, exposed brick, faded posters, henna, denim and petanque. These may not be images you associate with Hamilton – yet. But Matt Stark is only just getting started.
Right now, Stark’s relentlessly optimistic gaze is fixed on Garden Place. On March 29, Hamilton City Council will release its Ten Year Plan for community consultation, within which will be Stark and McLennan’s $3.9m proposal to rejuvenate Garden Place. There were three original options, including one which was to essentially accept the status quo, but city councillors voted to progress the option to consultation. The proposal Stark collaborated on features a large playground, 40 carparks and walkways.
Garden Place has been a central city eyesore since forever, and many commentators and ratepayers are sick of forking out for failed attempts to resuscitate it. The option Stark helped develop features 7000m2 of open space but it’s the carparks which have people incensed.
Opponents don’t want traffic in Garden Place, but Stark argues carparks will activate the space. “We were trying to do it on a shoestring,” he says, apologetically. Anything more aspirational would cost a lot more. “Carparks are not the most ideal, I agree. But you put 40 carparks in Garden Place and that’s at least 40 people walking and creating vibrancy.” He says foot traffic might encourage more robust commercial activity and, if enough people were using Garden Place, the car spaces could eventually be taken away.
Hamilton City Councillor Angela O’Leary says Stark’s inner-city developments have been “fresh and modern”, but she does not support the Garden Place proposal. “The issue is not enough people use the space. The answer is activation – more activities and events. This has been proven in every other city our size in the world. Otherwise we just end up with [a] nicer place that people still don’t use.” She expects the council will receive many Ten Year Plan submissions opposing the Garden Place proposal.
Stark’s long-time tenant Graham Dwyer is another who opposes the proposal. “There are virtually no cities in the world that are putting cars into cities,” Dwyer argues. “They’re taking them out!” Dwyer intends to put in a personal submission opposing the proposal, which he says is not aspirational enough to truly make a difference to Garden Place. “Maybe it needs $10 million?” He’d like to see Hamilton City Council take some responsibility for activating Garden Place as the council building borders one edge of the park. There should be doors and shops opening onto the public space, he says.
However, Dwyer believes that now the revamp is on the table, residents have been challenged to act. Garden Place is fixing itself, he says, because residents are making more of an effort to use the space. “It’ll get taken care of,” he says. “It’s already better.”
Stark was born in Auckland but the family moved to Hamilton when he was four. In Hamilton, Stark’s father Ray started a tech company. While Ray Stark probably appeared wildly successful because he occasionally had to travel to access offshore markets, the business was run on a shoestring. The family always had a place to call home, but Stark recalls times when they had to skimp on food. “He started with nothing,” Stark says of his father. “It was that classic Kiwi story: the world’s your oyster.”
Stark’s mother Lynette worked fulltime as a legal secretary so Matt and his older brother Phil could attend private Southwell School, which caters for Year 1-8 and currently charges $16,120 a year for an intermediate-age day student. It was a constant struggle to pay the tuition fees and other school costs. The Starks’ financial circumstances were quite different from many of their Southwell peers. “We had the budgetest sports gear, the budgetest car…”
While there was some financial uncertainty in his childhood, what Stark says he remembers is his parents’ broad, enthusiastic outlook and encouragement to take bold risks. “So much belief.” In their teens, the Stark brothers were offered jobs cleaning at their dad’s work. Matt got the sack for mucking around. Phil stayed on and worked his way to the top. He’s now 38 and CEO of TalkingTech, the Hamilton-based international IT company Ray Stark began with $1000 on a credit card.
Matt knew tech was not for him. “From the age of six, all I wanted to be was a builder.” Phil says his brother had “a knack” for building that emerged from a young age. Around 13, Matt built a 10m high, three-storey treehouse. He left school to be a builder at the start of sixth form (Year 12), and completed an apprenticeship, moved to London where he did commercial fit-outs for banks, then returned to Hamilton.
At 24, he began residential development. It initially went well but the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) nailed him. So he mowed lawns and did up bathrooms for friends, and says that early lesson in almost going under was invaluable. He developed a respect for money, an understanding of what it is to be in business, and saw, up-close, what hard times look like. “You think you’re invincible and bulletproof, but actually you’re not. It was such a humbling experience for me. I have a much better respect for money and I’m grateful.”
Stark Property’s committed buy-up of central Hamilton land is a particularly bold move when a gargantuan mall sits to the city’s north, effortlessly luring shoppers to its 2100 carparks and 183 retail stores. The Base changed the retail scene in Hamilton when it was developed by Tainui Group Holdings and opened in 2005. It’s in Te Rapa, 7km north of the city’s CBD, and is New Zealand’s largest shopping centre.
Stark appears unperturbed. He doesn’t believe the CBD should try to compete with the malls. He envisions a central city which is home to artisans, small owner-occupier businesses, niche boutiques. But there aren’t enough of those businesses to fill the CBD so Stark is now considering options for inner-city living developments.
When Stark Property designs a building, Stark says, the people who will work or live there are most important. This sounds like just the sort of line you’d expect from a Tom Cruise doppelganger, but a quick study with a sceptical eye reveals no twitching, nose rubbing or other signs of bald-faced insincerity. Perhaps he’s for real.
Stark says the second consideration is beautiful design. “My daughter is two,” he explains. “And she is particular about how her Marmite is spread on her toast.” If she’s that discerning, he reckons, she will one day grow up and cast a critical eye over her father’s efforts to improve Hamilton’s CBD. “I want her to be proud, not say: ‘Dad, that’s a disgrace’.”
Third, he says, is financial reward. Graham Dwyer, the tenant who opposes Stark’s Garden Place plan, is chair of business-led think-tank Agenda Waikato and a director at Ace Training. He says, as a long-time Stark Property tenant, he has noticed Stark’s fanaticism around detail and design. “If you’re cynical, you could argue he’s doing that as an investment.”
Dwyer is sure Stark is being pedantic and design-led to protect his investment. But he says it’s also clear Stark has regard for his tenants’ quality of life and cares an uncommon amount about the beauty of his creations, which has not always been true of developers in Hamilton.
A February 2018 economic growth report placed Hamilton’s estimated population at 165,400. In June 2016, there were 14,424 businesses in the city. In 2017, $195 million worth of commercial and industrial building consents were granted by Hamilton City Council, representing developments totalling 117,000m2. In area, this was the third largest year for commercial and industrial building consents granted by the council since 2005. In dollar terms, 2017 was by far the largest year in that 12-year span.
Hamilton has long been considered a stink place to visit and a wonderful place to live. But Stark hopes negative perceptions of Hamilton will change as visitors discover it’s not all about The Hood – the notorious bar where a barricade of police is stationed for an early morning witching hour of violent crime every Friday, Saturday and Sunday morning. In January, the city’s district licensing committee decided not to renew the bar’s liquor license. If the ruling is not successfully challenged, The Hood will be unable to serve alcohol from next month.
Instead of that scene, Stark says you should fill your mind with images of riverside cycleways, world-class restaurants, street art, bright cafes, tiny taco bars and facilities such as the spectacular Hamilton Gardens. And if you’re looking for somewhere to live, Hamilton offers bustling industries and affordable homes. Stark says it’s hard for Aucklanders to move to Hamilton. “There’s not the greatest shops. But it’s that whole coming of age. It’s moving, but it’s not quite there. It’s a place of opportunity. We’ve got so much land, no restrictions. We’ve got options. We need people with vision and creativity.”
There’s an unpretentiousness in Hamilton, he says. “Hamiltonians appreciate authentic people.”
Stark loves the rich diversity of his community. It’s a city happily bereft of the urban sprawl of larger cities, where residents of distant and demographically disparate suburbs seldom collide. Stark has friends who are teachers, nurses, pastors, lawyers, with incomes and lifestyles at all ends of the spectrum. “A town like Hamilton jumbles you together,” he says. “We’ve got Parnell, St Heliers, Otara, One Tree Hill – all together.”
Interestingly, zealots like Stark are not rare; in fact, it’s common to find people aching to declare their love for the city they affectionately call The Tron, after a radio station’s genius 1990s slogan ‘Hamiltron, City of the Future’. Perhaps other locales fail to engender such fervour because they haven’t weathered the derision which has been aimed at Hamilton for decades. “[Hamilton] gets a bad rap,” Stark says. “But I’d never slag any place because it’s someone’s home.”
This is his home. Stark says although he’s currently scoping projects in Mount Maunganui and is likely to consider opportunities in Auckland, his property company will always be Hamilton-based, “I love Auckland. I reckon it’s an incredible city. But I think there’s something really amazing about believing in one place and going hard. We’re based here.”
It’s common to hear Hamiltonians talking about retiring to The Mount or a beach location in the Coromandel. Stark looks incredulous that anyone would consider it. “This is your home! Don’t leave Hamilton. Why would you leave?” Phil Stark says his little brother has long been a megafan of Hamilton, and that passion likely deepened when the city presented opportunities for him to rebuild after the GFC.
“In terms of his enthusiasm for what he wants to do for Hamilton, that’s pretty unique around these parts. There’s opportunity here. Hamilton has been neglected and has been let down by developers in for the quick buck. You can see it in the buildings. Some of them are ugly and tired.”
Phil Stark says his brother is tenacious and his desire to rejuvenate Hamilton for the city’s sake is “a genuine thing”. “Once he gets hold of something, there’s no letting go. He believes in what he’s doing, that’s for sure.”
At Victoria on the River, neat beds of succulents lead down to the wide, yawning terrace with that dramatic river view. In a corner of the park, perched high on the riverbank, sit workmates Stacey Martin, 38, and Jackie Thomas, 30. They brought their lunch and came here to catch some sun. Both women are Waikato-born and excited to see Hamilton turning around.
Stacey says: “I’m all for the city making the most of the river, because we haven’t.” She gestures to all the buildings on Victoria St which offer their patrons not a single glimpse of this view. “We need Matt Stark to develop the whole main street.”
]]>Waikato's Supertrack- let's be the championGraham Dwyer, Chairman of Agenda Waikatohttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/03/19/Waikatos-Supertrack--lets-be-the-championhttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/03/19/Waikatos-Supertrack--lets-be-the-championSun, 18 Mar 2018 20:17:24 +0000
Let’s be the Champion
The Waikato “The Kentucky of Australasia” is one of the front runners for Hon Winston Peter’s suggested all-weather super track for the thoroughbred industry. Supporting the local industry by looking after local breeders, owners, trainers and staff whilst attracting international interest is a major opportunity not to be scratched.
The New Zealand Racing site describes the New Zealand thoroughbred industry as one of the most successful in the world, stating that the industry produced 3500 foals and an estimated value of $138M generated from exporting 1700 horses. The industry contributed $1.6 billion to the economy last year, it employs approximately 18,000 FTE nationally. Over the 156 years of the Melbourne Cup, 45 have been won by NZ bred horses and over the last five racing seasons in Australia 34% of all the Group 1 races have been won by NZ bred horses.
This success is attributable to high quality pasture, large open paddocks and a mild climate. If there’s one thing that comes to mind, it’s the mighty Waikato. How can we, as a region, support this lucrative industry? How can we future-proof its success within the Waikato and attract more champions? How great would it be to have an all-weather super track located in the Waikato. The existing clubs can link and feed into it in some way of mutual benefit, but that’s semantics. What’s key here, is what is best for the region. There is an opportunity to set ourselves apart and help grow an industry with huge economic benefits. The Government has up to $10 million to spend on this development. And just to be clear, an all-weather track refers to the racing surface at an existing racecourse, not a totally new facility. Regardless, let’s be the front runner in that race.
As Waipa have branded themselves “The Homes of Champions”, this term is supported by other sporting and business ventures. One needs to look at Avantidrome for cycling, Karapiro for rowing, Mystery Creek for Fieldays and Equidays. We also breed champion horses. If we want to think with aspiration in mind, we need to look to future proof our region. The previously mentioned venues are regional assets. They are connected and accessible. Commute times from one part of the region to the other are not long comparative to the likes of Auckland. It’s time to look at the big picture and acknowledge the possible flow-on benefits this type of investment will bring.
Ageing infrastructure is not just an issue for the racing industry. Alternatives need to be considered. Why shouldn’t we be jumping up and down in the stands and support the Government’s willingness to invest in a super track? Come to the Waikato. We are mighty, and this kind of aspirational development will align nicely in our region. Let’s grab that golden ticket with both hands.
Graham Dwyer, Chairman of Agenda Waikato
]]>Agenda Waikato takes first step as business lobby groupThomas Manch published in Waikato Timeshttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/02/18/Agenda-Waikato-takes-first-step-as-business-lobby-grouphttps://www.agendawaikato.org.nz/single-post/2018/02/18/Agenda-Waikato-takes-first-step-as-business-lobby-groupSat, 17 Feb 2018 22:20:00 +0000